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Explaining Olivia Rodrigo’s “Drivers License,” Plus Making the Perfect Playlist and Cloud Nothings

Grace Spelman teaches listeners the best techniques for creating the perfect playlist before Charles and producer Justin Sayles take a dive deep into indie-rock band Cloud Nothings

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On this week’s Ringer Music Show, Charles Holmes tags Grace Spelman and producer Lani Renaldo to discuss the no. 1 song in the country, “Drivers License,” and Olivia Rodrigo’s rise to stardom (0:00). Later, Grace teaches listeners the best techniques for creating the perfect playlist (20:20). Then, Charles and producer Justin Sayles dive deep into indie-rock band Cloud Nothings (38:60), and Charles speaks to frontman Dylan Baldi about how the band has managed to stay afloat despite the COVID-19-induced pause on the music industry (44:50).

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