JULIET LITMAN: Kate, though “Pine Barrens” may be the best episode of The Sopranos, what episode do you remember it by?
KATE KNIBBS: While I'll always love “Pine Barrens” for making me laugh, my heart belongs to The Sopranos at its darkest, when the consequences of mobsterism are laid out in pitiless detail. “Long Term Parking” (Adriana’s last episode save for dream sequences) is the episode that gives me a knot in my stomach every time I watch it. It's the gruesome skeleton key to the series. It’s the point of no return for the souls of all the main characters, the point where it becomes absolutely impossible not to see Tony for the American demon he is. It's suspenseful, it's ironic, it breaks your whole heart. What could be better?
LITMAN: You get at something important: “Pine Barrens” is an exceptional episode that contributes to the portrait of Christopher Moltisanti and life in the mafia, but it’s less integral in painting Tony’s many dimensions. I consider the next episode, “Amour Fou,” the single most haunting installment. It’s the one with the choke-slam. Tony breaks up with Gloria Trillo (Annabella Sciorra), who responds by threatening to tell Meadow and Carmela about the affair, which then pushes Tony to choke-slam Gloria so violently that I’ve never forgotten the harrowing image. That explicit violence is complemented by Tony pressuring Ralphie into calling the hit on Jackie Jr., his daughter’s ex-boyfriend and a kid Tony has known since he was born. The Sopranos coaxed viewers into believing Tony was human. The reminders that he was a true homicidal sociopath hurt deeply. Is The Sopranos best remembered as a show about the dulling effects of violence?
KNIBBS: The Sopranos did many things so well that it’s hard to pick just one thing it should be remembered for, but the memory should include its treatment of violence—and family. I love “Amour Fou,” too, and the Jackie Jr. story line is a scorcher. Tony was supposed to protect and mentor Jackie Jr. Instead, Tony orders his death and proves once again that the merciless code of The Family trumps family ties.
The Jackie Jr. story line works like a prelude to Adriana’s death in “Long Term Parking.” It lays the groundwork for the idea that these guys are never going to let someone get away unscathed, no matter how close they are. And the Gloria Trillo plot also gives us hard evidence that Tony will hurt a woman. But I still think of “Long Term Parking” most often, because, well, Jackie Jr. was a dipshit, while Adriana was the closest thing the show had to an innocent. If Carmela functioned as The Family’s matriarch, Adriana was its adopted daughter, and they still showed her no mercy.
It’s important that Adriana’s death isn’t actually shown, because I see it as a statement about violence. The Sopranos certainly didn’t shy away from bloody shootouts or gore, but by offing one of its most beloved characters without showing her death, the show underlined that televised violence always has a sick entertainment value, no matter how much someone tries to insist it’s not gratuitous. The Sopranos implicated itself with the few, strategic times it refused to show violence.
Since we're talking about the show's legacy, I'm curious: Do you think the open-ended ending strengthened or weakened the show as a whole? I consider it another statement about violence. I love the lack of resolution, the idea that the comeuppance the show was careening toward got withheld, but I understand how it frustrated a lot of fans.
LITMAN: Peak TV ushered in an era in which viewers expected definitive answers from showrunners. Mad Men’s Matthew Weiner, Breaking Bad’s Vince Gilligan, and Lost’s Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are celebrities on their own. They frequently spoke to the media about their process, discussions in the writers’ room, and whether there was a grand vision. I think this lent itself to a dialectic that previously did not ensnare television. Before Peak TV, viewers didn’t really consider authorial intent. I don’t think David Chase had much interest in talking to his audience, rather allowing the work to speak for itself.
To me, the cut-to-black and singular use of Journey were his rebellion against the culture that his show birthed. The Sopranos paved the way for the greatest shows of the century, but it was not a part of the internet culture that elevated the importance of TV. The ambiguity denied any final judgments on Tony, instead challenging viewers to do that work on their own. Like the greatest authors, David Chase surely had opinions, but he kept them to himself. The Sopranos will have a longer life as a result.