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Rachel Lindsay and Chelsea Stark-Jones begin this week’s ‘Morally Corrupt’ by discussing the recent news that Lenny Hochstein and his fiancée/mistress, Katharina Mazepa, have broken up (1:08). Then, Rachel admits to feeling sorry for Shannon during a breakdown of Season 18 Episode 9 of ‘The Real Housewives of Orange County’ (9:15). Finally, Rachel and Chelsea talk about the Season 2 finale of ‘The Real Housewives of Dubai’ and attempt to locate the real reason Lesa and Chanel’s friendship blew up (26:15).
Host: Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Chelsea Stark-Jones
Producer: Devon Baroldi
Theme: Devon Renaldo

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Chelsea Stark-Jones is an Emmy Award–winning producer who joined The Ringer in 2021. She currently oversees our reality TV and pop culture content and currently cohosts ‘The Morally Corrupt Bravo Show’ and the narrative podcast ‘Blackballed.’

Chelsea Stark-Jones

Rachel Lindsay is an author, attorney, media personality, and podcaster. She currently cohosts The Ringer’s ‘Higher Learning’ and ‘Morally Corrupt Bravo Show’ podcasts. Rachel is known for making history as the first Black lead in the franchise’s history on the 13th season of ABC’s ‘The Bachelorette.’


Lenny and His Mistress Break Up! Plus ‘Orange County’ and ‘Dubai’

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