‘Jam Session’ — An Unhappy Conversation About Taylor Swift (Ep. 346)

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Taylor Swift's shaky roll-out of her new single, 'Look What You Made Me Do,' and accompanying VMA video release (5:00), Swift's corporate sponsorships (12:00), Katy Perry's credibility in the pop music world (17:00), and the winners and losers from MTV's Video Music Awards (22:00).

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